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. >> so much for the fiscal cliff. why is the head of td bank group so bullish on the united states right now? he'll join me for another cnbc exclusive next. we'll also talk about his company's earnings. >>> later, will the shaky global economy throw a wrench into luxury goods maker ppr's balance sheet? back in a flash plp. . there is no mass-produced human. every human being is unique. and there is one store that recognizes it. the sleep number store. the only place in the world you'll find the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. an exclusive collection of innovations that totally individualize your sleep. perfectly comfortable pillows that adjust to your size and shape. temperature-balancing bedding. dual warmth comforters. all designed around the sleep number bed: a bed with dual-air technology that allows you to adjust to the support your body needs. each of your bodies. in the name of human individuality: the sleep number collection. discover how our sleep professionals can individualize your slee
. >> so much for the fiscal cliff. why is the head of td bank group so bullish on the united states right now? he'll join me for another cnbc exclusive next. we'll also talk about his company's earnings. >>> later, will the shaky global economy throw a wrench into luxury goods maker ppr's balance sheet? back in a flash plp. . there is no mass-produced human. every human being is unique. and there is one store that recognizes it. the sleep number store. the only place in the world...
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the fiscal cliff? >> there's a framework that we presented to the white house two weeks ago. the framework is -- has been agreed to in terms of really a down payment on the end of this year. now, that would include spending cuts and it would include revenue. setting up a process for entitlement reform for next year and tax reform for next year. but -- but -- but this is way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. >> faced with the prospect of going over the fiscal cliff, which you just called serious business, or extending the lower tax rates and not the upper ones, which one would you choose? >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people, through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. >> which is worse, though, for the economy? >> what's that point of balance you just spoke about? could you put a debt limit increase in the overall package? >> as i told the president a coup
the fiscal cliff? >> there's a framework that we presented to the white house two weeks ago. the framework is -- has been agreed to in terms of really a down payment on the end of this year. now, that would include spending cuts and it would include revenue. setting up a process for entitlement reform for next year and tax reform for next year. but -- but -- but this is way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we...
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. >>> with the fiscal cliff looming less than a month away you might think certainly sectors would be getting hammered right now. not the obvious ones like defense. given the defense budget will be cut dramatically if our leaders don't reach a compromise, take retail. if we go over the cliff, something i've been telling you as of this week, more likely by the day, not less, that will deal a huge blow it purchasing power of most americans. think about it. tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last
. >>> with the fiscal cliff looming less than a month away you might think certainly sectors would be getting hammered right now. not the obvious ones like defense. given the defense budget will be cut dramatically if our leaders don't reach a compromise, take retail. if we go over the cliff, something i've been telling you as of this week, more likely by the day, not less, that will deal a huge blow it purchasing power of most americans. think about it. tax rates go up. >> boo....
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don't go over the fiscal cliff but pass a simple tax bill. what would it entail? expend the tax cuts to those making under $250,000. increase taxes on dividends and capital gains to 23.6%. number three, know estate tax, payroll tax cut, unemployment benefits extension. basically strip everything out. no delay in sequestration. does this look like it would satisfy wall street? i don't think so. remember two essential points. it's got to be done before the end of the year and be substantive. this is pretty stripped down but this is what a lot of people are talking about that this might be all that you're able to get through. people were hoping for a bigger deal, if not a grand bargain, at least address some of the other issues. >>> let me move on. the dow's up a little bit because of high-priced stocks like ibm are up. but we're having a great day again for financials. it's been a great week overall, but this is just today. jpmorgan chase and morgan stanley and citi announcing job cuts. bank of america, i'm sorry, announcing the cuts. let me tell you what's happenin
don't go over the fiscal cliff but pass a simple tax bill. what would it entail? expend the tax cuts to those making under $250,000. increase taxes on dividends and capital gains to 23.6%. number three, know estate tax, payroll tax cut, unemployment benefits extension. basically strip everything out. no delay in sequestration. does this look like it would satisfy wall street? i don't think so. remember two essential points. it's got to be done before the end of the year and be substantive. this...
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. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the company's divisions but biggest slice of the pie coming from global consumer banking cutting 6,200 jobs there. the cuts are broad. nearly 2,000 jobs cut from the institutional clients group including investment banking six times the layoffs reported to take place in the securities business earlier this month. jim cramer said earlier that it feels like citigroup has been cutting jobs forever but that's because the bank has downsized by a third since peak employment in 2007. most of that cutting took place after he took the reigns. it will have 261,000 jobs once these cuts
. >> investment banks paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. we'll find out what it will take to get deals going once again. >> we expect the president to speak on the fiscal cliff before the business roundtable. we'll bring you his comments live. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs taking a billion dollar charge. kayla tausche has more. >> investors see this as a positive. a big move for a new ceo who is just getting his sleeves rolled up. the cuts will span across nearly all of the...
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cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbig
cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there....
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the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically week and counting before you think the equity market really drops significantly? >> if we do get a deal done do, we just maintain the 2% that we're stuck in with the high unemployment and not go down? or does it actually allow us to start growing again? is anybody talking growth? >> we're talking growth. >> is it possible to ever get back to that in this environment? >> it is. you have a lot of problems with the piece. >> do you briyou believe if you rote deficit -- two different ways. you either keep the government that you
the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically...
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. >> do you think there would be any growth, anything positive, from going over the fiscal cliff that would ameliorate the damage? >> it depends on what -- the deficit. >> if you -- depends what the alternative is. alternative is what was proposed yesterday, i would go over the cliff and take -- >> so would all the people on the left. >> but on the other hand, i hope that there can be -- >> 50/50? where are we? >> 50/50, yes. >> you don't think it is 70? >> as a patriot i want to think it is better than 50/50. >> i'm wearing my but only -- >> i am, too. rising above. >> it is -- direct thing right at the -- somebody who is speaking in pennsylvania today. is it pennsylvania? >> pennsylvania today. >> but -- >> that's how i rise above it. >> i felt a lot better yesterday when i was reading the -- talk in the journal. story about how it looked like there was movement on it. i don't know. >> doesn't sound -- maybe we are wrong for focusing on the day by day. >> we will come back and ask how larry would negotiate this deal. still to come this morning, it is the height of the holiday shoppi
. >> do you think there would be any growth, anything positive, from going over the fiscal cliff that would ameliorate the damage? >> it depends on what -- the deficit. >> if you -- depends what the alternative is. alternative is what was proposed yesterday, i would go over the cliff and take -- >> so would all the people on the left. >> but on the other hand, i hope that there can be -- >> 50/50? where are we? >> 50/50, yes. >> you don't think it...
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reach a fiscal cliff deal. >>> plus, we will hear exclusively from the ceo of oil giant chevron. he's warning that a fall off the cliff would force his company to drastically change its investment strategy. >>> and is it possible the dollar bill, the paper dollar bill, could actually be replaced by a dollar coin? all in the name of fixing the debt? we have both sides of that coming up. >>> maria and i both look forward to seeing you at the top of the hour from here at the new york stock exchange for the last hour of the trading day. see you then. >> thank you very much, bill. >>> it is "sunshine stock" time. shares of ebay hitting an eight-year high today. that stock has not traded at these levels since january 2005. ebay has gained more than 6.5% just over the past week alone. >>> do you know someone who needs some sunshine? how about social stocks? they're not it because they've been in a slump. does wall street continue to be anti-social? julia boorstin, what do you think? are they over? >> well, brian, i'll put it this way. these daily deals companies are dealing with some dr
reach a fiscal cliff deal. >>> plus, we will hear exclusively from the ceo of oil giant chevron. he's warning that a fall off the cliff would force his company to drastically change its investment strategy. >>> and is it possible the dollar bill, the paper dollar bill, could actually be replaced by a dollar coin? all in the name of fixing the debt? we have both sides of that coming up. >>> maria and i both look forward to seeing you at the top of the hour from here at...
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and the dangers of the fiscal cliff. it is a factory i toured as part of our "how i made my millions" series earlier this year. what is this called? >> just a hopper. >> reporter: intricate creations constructed with a plastic product called k'nex, a build it yourself toy invented by this big kid, joel blickman at the age of 50. >> i really built k'nex for myself. >> reporter: he was so convinced everyone would clamor for the toy, he pitched it to mattel and hasbro. >> what ends up turning out was that none of the toy companies wanted it. >> how do you overcome the rejection? >> you get annoyed, which i did. and decide well, we'll do it ourselves. if they're that dumb, what they know can't be that difficult to learn. >> reporter: they developed their own packaging, started marketing it. at first, they shipped it out to a few local shops. >> and they make those toys all in america. p "power lunch" exclusive, the kroe ceo, michael erickson. why do you think the president chose your factory, your company to make his fiscal
and the dangers of the fiscal cliff. it is a factory i toured as part of our "how i made my millions" series earlier this year. what is this called? >> just a hopper. >> reporter: intricate creations constructed with a plastic product called k'nex, a build it yourself toy invented by this big kid, joel blickman at the age of 50. >> i really built k'nex for myself. >> reporter: he was so convinced everyone would clamor for the toy, he pitched it to mattel and...
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cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with you more on that. these are good folks. each one of us was elected to represent 650,000 people. i heard it -- i think everyone of the other floor members heard it -- they're tired of the bickering, they're tired of the cliff talk. they want to us compromise and get something done. i proposed yesterday let's find the xron ground. we all agree that tax rates should not go up on folks make makeing $250,000 or less. a family. >> when congress goes home today for a long weekend, who pays for the travel? >> the taxpayers pay for it. they just
cliff before we hit it. represents tim walls is a democrat from minnesota who filed a petition yesterday to force a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i have to say that the optic beioptics of congressman leaving the capitol right now for another long weekend is extraordinary poor. it is disappointing and to many it is outraging. what do you say? >> i think it is outrageous. i couldn't agree with...
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i think this is the first of many fiscal cliffs to come, if you will, much like debt ceilings of the 1980s. i think most investors have already done what they need to do for the fiscal cliff. it is called diversification. beyond that, i think they should focus more on what's going to be left after the cliff -- >> where can you hide? where can you diversify away from the fiscal cliff in minibonds? that's boring! >> well, i think you're sufficiently diversified. everyone should own a little bit of everything, stocks, bonds, commodities, overseas markets as well as domestic and real estate. and that's good enough. but i think if you do much more than that in anticipation of this, i think you're going to do yourself a disservice. i think it is better to focus on what we're going to return to very quickly after the end of this month or maybe a couple weeks into january and that's the fundamentals on the ground. they to me are looking better and better. >> you're a rich, successful guy. you're probably the mayor of minneapolis de facto. right? you got gold bars stashed in your garage out b
i think this is the first of many fiscal cliffs to come, if you will, much like debt ceilings of the 1980s. i think most investors have already done what they need to do for the fiscal cliff. it is called diversification. beyond that, i think they should focus more on what's going to be left after the cliff -- >> where can you hide? where can you diversify away from the fiscal cliff in minibonds? that's boring! >> well, i think you're sufficiently diversified. everyone should own a...
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we want to make sure we don't go over the fiscal cliff and find spending cuts to control the growth of government to save what we need to do. >> you mention bowles changing his tune. he does say in his words circumstances have changed. it's up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today. do you think that middle ground moved in any direction as a result of the election? >> well, i think one thing you have to see is you have status quote. president won re-election. republicans kept the majority in the house. i think you saw where the republicans went right after the election. you had the speaker say you asked for revenue. here's revenue. if the president asked for 800 billion in revenue, we're providing it in a way that we believe is a better growth to protect small business. at the same time the president said it has to be a balanced approach. two for one. if you watch for geithner proposed, new stimulus program and others, the spending increases. you won't go after spending cuts of what we've been trying to get to. >> congressman, jim cramer here. i worry that what y
we want to make sure we don't go over the fiscal cliff and find spending cuts to control the growth of government to save what we need to do. >> you mention bowles changing his tune. he does say in his words circumstances have changed. it's up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today. do you think that middle ground moved in any direction as a result of the election? >> well, i think one thing you have to see is you have status quote. president won re-election....
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this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your forecasting on the markets when you have such gyrations due to what's going on with the fiscal cliff. >> well, truthfully, you know, hopefully what makes me a little bit different on the street, i really try not to guess. what they're going to say, it's impossible. what i fall back to is what's the tactical outlook? we had a nice 5% move off of that low. our view is you've always retested that kind of intermediate term low. we're looking for a little pullback. ultima ultimately, don't fight the fed and don't fight the tape. when i talk to people, you kind of think about it. why isn't it follow the fed or follow the tape? because every cycle we think the fed is not going to d
this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your forecasting on the markets when you have such gyrations due to what's going on with...
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the fiscal cliff was agreed to by republicans and democrats. now nobody wants to pay the price. i say let's go ahead and get this done. the fact is it's actually a slope and not a cliff. we've got to get this done. i'm serious about deficit reduction. i don't think you can talk about deficit reduction without more taxes and cutting spending both. >> do you think the white house is ready? do you have people there with a wink and a nod, howard, that say you're right? >> i don't really know. i mean, they couldn't possibly say that, they're in the middle of a negotiation. and so we'll see what happens. but i believe that the country will get through this. there will be some pain in the next year. and the other thing i believe is that wall street who's moaning and groaning about this is actually going to do much better. because this is something i agree with rick about is certainty is critical to the business community. we can disagree about the regulatory stuff, but the fact is if we do this, if we go over the cliff, tax rates will be at a certainty. you can say they'll be too high,
the fiscal cliff was agreed to by republicans and democrats. now nobody wants to pay the price. i say let's go ahead and get this done. the fact is it's actually a slope and not a cliff. we've got to get this done. i'm serious about deficit reduction. i don't think you can talk about deficit reduction without more taxes and cutting spending both. >> do you think the white house is ready? do you have people there with a wink and a nod, howard, that say you're right? >> i don't really...
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cliff, i'm worried some actually believe that and that's one thing that scares me. i think there's a deal on the table, get a few years deal, it's only if -- obviously the republican caucus could do something stupid, but owes otherwise my main word is the dems decide they want to play for a long term deal that it all has to be resolved right now and it's worth the risk and i don't think it's worth the risk. >> adam, always good to see you. thank you very much indeed. we move on, stay in the united states, strike at the port of los angeles long beach is entering its seventh day and some analysts fear it could cost the u.s. economy $1 billion a day. it means lost business for truckers and others who rely on the port for their livelihood. combined they are the nation's busiest handling nearly 40% of impossibles from asia. and google customers across europe will be able to access the largest repertoire of music in the world. the fruit of a collaboration between internet giant and european collecting societies. kelly spoke to the director of strategy resources and asked
cliff, i'm worried some actually believe that and that's one thing that scares me. i think there's a deal on the table, get a few years deal, it's only if -- obviously the republican caucus could do something stupid, but owes otherwise my main word is the dems decide they want to play for a long term deal that it all has to be resolved right now and it's worth the risk and i don't think it's worth the risk. >> adam, always good to see you. thank you very much indeed. we move on, stay in...
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you get a fiscal cliff deal, you'll have tax increases and spending cuts. they'll cut 1%, 1.5% off gdp. that's not good for stock market in 2013. you don't get a deal, you get mandatory spending cuts that will be worse. meantime, there are shorter term worries. how about getting through today? how do you go long or short here today when over the weekend anybody -- i mean almost anybody, can appear on a sunday talk show and make some inflammatory comment about the fiscal cliff not working, it's a mess, it's never going to happen and then you wake up and you're down 15 points monday morning. that's a problem figuring out what to do over the weekend. it could go the other way. generally it's a little bit more on the gloomy side. then you have the problem with december. we're going into the last month. today is the last day of november. people are behind the curve. a shocking number of people i spoke to are below whatever their benchmark is. do you lighten up? do you stay long what you got? it's hard to maneuver around because you need to get outperformance. yo
you get a fiscal cliff deal, you'll have tax increases and spending cuts. they'll cut 1%, 1.5% off gdp. that's not good for stock market in 2013. you don't get a deal, you get mandatory spending cuts that will be worse. meantime, there are shorter term worries. how about getting through today? how do you go long or short here today when over the weekend anybody -- i mean almost anybody, can appear on a sunday talk show and make some inflammatory comment about the fiscal cliff not working, it's...
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>> if you think the fiscal cliff will be avoided, this is the stock to buy. we get no vacation they come up with a deal. they need more time to come up with a deal. no vacation until we get legislation. >> finally, we're going to get gms numbers in a few minutes here. >> these are big. >> you have a group of companies that have warned for the quarter. overwhelming number of guidance for the quarter has been negative. housing and autos. tail winds are here. >> it's the international companies that have been so disappointing. this will be a break if gm and ford can overcome the gravitational pull particularly of europe and with europe getting better in terms of finances, these might be a place to go. >> you said that a lot of these companies are going to be managing down in europe for years to come. that hasn't changed. >> no. when i see rates go down big, i always like stocks and now businesses have to follow. >> we'll see you tonight. 6:00 and 11:00 p.m. eastern time. when we come back, wall street getting ready for probably the breaking news of the day. ism
>> if you think the fiscal cliff will be avoided, this is the stock to buy. we get no vacation they come up with a deal. they need more time to come up with a deal. no vacation until we get legislation. >> finally, we're going to get gms numbers in a few minutes here. >> these are big. >> you have a group of companies that have warned for the quarter. overwhelming number of guidance for the quarter has been negative. housing and autos. tail winds are here. >> it's...
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so when we look at the fiscal cliff and everything else in terms of actual cuts in spending, everybody recoils in horror because they know it implies. >> you made your point, though, we surrendered to fdr, and instead of supplementing people, instead of letting them earn their own success, we're going to somehow try to deal with outcome rather than opportunity and pay for it. and you want to pay for -- >> no, i don't. >> in a fairer society. what you see as a fairer society. >> i didn't say it was a fairer society. but chris brought up an important point. and i want people to talk about the "wall street journal" today. we're not talking about cutting spending, not talking about cutting growth rates, which is a huge difference, one reason why people like me look at former presidential candidate mitt romney talk about npr or planned parenthood. the number one answer for balancing the budget is foreign aid. which if you really wanted to balance the budget and you don't always have to go to the department of justice or whatever it may be. but over the next ten years, 90% of federal outlays
so when we look at the fiscal cliff and everything else in terms of actual cuts in spending, everybody recoils in horror because they know it implies. >> you made your point, though, we surrendered to fdr, and instead of supplementing people, instead of letting them earn their own success, we're going to somehow try to deal with outcome rather than opportunity and pay for it. and you want to pay for -- >> no, i don't. >> in a fairer society. what you see as a fairer society....
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but if you actually see the country going over the fiscal cliff, you see these huge spending cuts kicking in at the same time as higher taxes, i know the thinking is the president can say this is the republican's fault for doing this, but do you think he'd really stay over the cliff given what that would mean to the economy in such rapid fire fashion? >> i think the sequestration is more of a problem thax the tax rates. sequestration requires very big cuts very quickly which would jaw the economy. i think the president could give a speech over the next two weeks, prepare americans for going over the cliff and it's not guilty not going to be a big deal because tax rates are going to revert to where they were and the serious conversations with republicans begin. it gives everybody an opportunity to save face. the president gets what he wants. all the tax rates are go up. he can pull back the 98%. the republicans won't go against that. so in some ways, it works in everyone's political interest. sequestration is a big problem because if that goes into effect, the country certainly almost goes
but if you actually see the country going over the fiscal cliff, you see these huge spending cuts kicking in at the same time as higher taxes, i know the thinking is the president can say this is the republican's fault for doing this, but do you think he'd really stay over the cliff given what that would mean to the economy in such rapid fire fashion? >> i think the sequestration is more of a problem thax the tax rates. sequestration requires very big cuts very quickly which would jaw the...
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cliff. >> are there any preparations you're making in particular? >> we've been reducing our risk on interest rate sides because particularly when this thing blows up, you don't know where it's -- >> you're not cutting people yet? >> no, we're not cutting people. >> are you planning to do so? >> in our business we're not as affected by consumer buying because in most state use have to buy our product. so we'll continue to sell the same amount of business we sold before, so we do not have to cut people as a result of the cliff. >> hey, tom, when you hear all the negotiations, the bad news is everybody's trying to figure out which amount of each of these three buckets that you mentioned things should go into. dwlou see a compromise working out, particularly when you hear on both the far right and the far left this idea that we don't want a compromise, we want it our way? >> i think idea that you don't want to compromise is just a dumm idea. i mean if we go over the cliff when we go into a recession, wealthy people, you know, my stock portfolio will go
cliff. >> are there any preparations you're making in particular? >> we've been reducing our risk on interest rate sides because particularly when this thing blows up, you don't know where it's -- >> you're not cutting people yet? >> no, we're not cutting people. >> are you planning to do so? >> in our business we're not as affected by consumer buying because in most state use have to buy our product. so we'll continue to sell the same amount of business we...